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Paul
04-07-2009, 09:46
Refreshed Ford S-Max spied :: Ford's S-Max has been facelifted


The S-Max may only be a couple of years old, but Ford has decided to give it a facelift to keep it in line with the rest of the range.

Seen here towing a heavy trailer, the upcoming S-Max’s rear has been smoothed over and the rear light clusters redesigned for LEDs.

The front end has been given a less aggressive look, and the grille now features a one-bar arrangement, highlighting the Ford badge.

Engines for the S-Max aren’t expected to change from the current model.

We’ll see more of the updated S-Max in Frankfurt later this year.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/spyshots/238012/refreshed_ford_smax_spied.html

mcgucka
04-07-2009, 10:08
I like the look of the lights at the rear, but not sure about the new front, it looks too 'soft'... I think the smoothing of the lower bumper has taken to much 'edge' of the look.

A move away from 'Kinetic' design IMO, isn't it meant to look like it's moving when it's sitting still?

My 1st impression anyway. :eeeek:

Al

steviedawson
04-07-2009, 10:15
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ i agree..


Great inprovement at the rear, as for the front it just dosen't look right.

seanysean123
04-07-2009, 10:38
+1
my thoughts exactly.....not sharp enough at the front...

Russell
04-07-2009, 10:54
I agree too!

I'd best get my 4rse to the Frankfurt Motor Show this year, then - if I can. September, IIRC ... some years since I've been there.

Steve TR
04-07-2009, 11:03
Is it trying to steal the funeral market from its sister?

mr pastry
04-07-2009, 11:11
That would maybe explain why dealers are offering about £6000-£7000 off a new one at present ??

Alan
04-07-2009, 11:19
Like the changes to the back. Like the others not sure about the front, though it may grow on me. One I don't like is the chrome running down the side it looks unfinished due to it stopping at the rear door.

WeS-MAX
04-07-2009, 11:29
it looks like its an s-max icecream, melting away in the sun. the reason i bought mine was because of its sportier looks, now ford seem to be "grandad-ifying" it. jeremy clarkson said the s-max was for dads who dont want to admit they need a ppl carrier, but now we'r gona fit right in with the rest of 'm.

TOTALLY WRONG DIRECTION for the s-max in my opinion

patch
04-07-2009, 11:36
Reminds me of a Picasso. I prefer the sportier looks of the current model.

scarey
04-07-2009, 12:07
is it just me cos i cant see much difference....:tumbleweed:

...except for the dodgy suspension..

morellomax
04-07-2009, 15:01
Don't like the front. Back looks ok, not much different. The chrome is a mistake on the S-Max, as it doesn't have roof rails. All IMHO.

I'd like to see them adopt the Galaxy foglights, redesign the shape of the rear lights so the back end looks sharper and give the sports pack rear spoiler and rear bumper as standard. And wind back the tint on the rear glass a wee bit.

dazoilburner
04-07-2009, 15:30
Hmm I like the rear lights but not the front does this mean i'll be able to get a 2nd hand one cheaper?!I'm glad its not just me who prefers the rear end of the Galaxy!

zozzer
04-07-2009, 15:53
~I hope thats a preproduction version

the front end is a MASSIVE step backwards style wise (just you Scarey! *titters*)

wrong
bad
yuck
:shoot:

rant starts/

Ford marketing need to take a very close look at who is buying the SMAX, and what they were driving, and go for more of this 'used to premium brand, went for an SMAX because there is no real competition' demographic which in turn will drag the brand up market. The other way to do it would have been to buy Jag and make an SMAX Jag/Mondeo Jag (oh they did that but didnt promote it properly), or do a Volvo SMAX as the premium. Neither of these options have been exploited.

Ford, if you are reading this I have very reasonable consultancy rates ;)

DO NOT mess this opportunity up, its a one off, when the economy gets through all of this those left standing will be in a very good position.

end rant/

Russell
04-07-2009, 16:34
^^^^ from a highly qualified designer. :yes:

Suggest you listen to him, Ford. :poke:

peanutt
04-07-2009, 16:36
Well although I agree with most of you, the front is funny, I think it's looks are somewhat altered due to the weight it is towing in that picture. It looks wrong because it is under heavy load, I think it will look better without its a*se dragging on the ground!

Wheelie Bealie
04-07-2009, 17:34
Hmmm not as nice looking as the current model, to be honest the back isn't too bad but then that's one of the most critical design features (that often gets overlooked) on a car, think about it, you're stuck in a queue of traffic with one of these in front of you and one coming the other way, which one will you be able to see more of?

martin
04-07-2009, 18:05
i agree with every thing said FORD PLEASE LISTEN

a good spliter on the front will do and i wonder if they have found any where to store the boot cover lol

martin

steviedawson
04-07-2009, 20:00
Just had another look at the pic again.... is it just me but does the front look like a mouth off a fish lol lol

or it could be the amount of pear cider i've had today:brow:

Steve TR
04-07-2009, 20:27
Talking of fish references - when I was first looking around to buy a S-Max a few of my mates didn't know what one was let alone what it looked like. So to best describe it I said 'imagine a Pike... with wheels...'
Now of course I love the aggressive look of my 'Motorpike' and couldn't really imagine it with a gaping Goldfish face.

dazoilburner
04-07-2009, 20:57
I was just thinking a set of lower fog lamps a la Galaxy would look good on the S Max and even more so on the facelift version.It looks like the metal work hasn't been touched at all so the revisions could be carried over to earlier cars

reynoutvab
04-07-2009, 21:50
Front is more bulkier, rounded... mmmm
The back is more like the Galaxy, with the rings of light
minor changes, but to say that it is better... nope.
But some design you have to get used to :shifty:

CARLSBERG
04-07-2009, 22:23
Refreshed Ford S-Max spied :: Ford's S-Max has been facelifted



http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/spyshots/238012/refreshed_ford_smax_spied.html

Well done Paul for finding this article.

I mentioned about a year back the s-max was due for changes in 2010.
Now it seems what i had heard was correct.

Not sure what to make of it so far, just hope they can produce another sexy s-max by the time mine is 3 years old in Sept. 2010

Mattywatsit
04-07-2009, 22:38
I don't like the fron at all :(

The back however looks really nice, i really like the new light clusters!!...

Am i the first one to notice the rear wiper, looking like the 307 one people are upgrading to... hmm ;)

Regards,
Matthew :)

Anupanu
05-07-2009, 07:38
Front: A move AWAY from the rest of the range IMO
Back: Anyone got the part no. for the rear LED light clusters? :laugh:
Chrome: Nooooo!

My observation: Why can't Ford hide the radar for ACC on an S-Max when they can on a Mondeo?

martin
05-07-2009, 10:36
matty Ford now fit this this type of rear wiper as std

i think the rear lights look Audi A6 estate (or what every they call it this
week)

martin

Russell
05-07-2009, 10:39
matty Ford now fit this this type of rear wiper as std

i think the rear lights look Audi A6 estate (or what every they call it this
week)

martin

"Avant", Martin - as it's always been called. :grinning:

martin
05-07-2009, 10:51
and you think i could spell that lol

i know i should have googled it


martin

Paul
05-07-2009, 17:36
Just a thought here.

If it's 'just' a cosmetic uplift, then why is the car so low & what's in the trailer?

Strikes me that they're testing something more than aerodynamics.

Is there a new engine under that bonnet?

Paul.

mr pastry
05-07-2009, 17:51
With manufacturers striving to get lower emissions and better fuel economy will we ever see the power shift gearbox in the S-Max

Russell
05-07-2009, 17:58
I was just thinking a set of lower fog lamps a la Galaxy would look good on the S Max and even more so on the facelift version.It looks like the metal work hasn't been touched at all so the revisions could be carried over to earlier cars

You can cut out where the front fake vents are in the S-Max bumper and fit Galaxy fog lights ... should you wish.
Check out the pics of Ford Fair 2007; there's an example of it in there.

Russell

dazoilburner
05-07-2009, 18:06
You can cut out where the front fake vents are in the S-Max bumper and fit Galaxy fog lights ... should you wish.
Check out the pics of Ford Fair 2007; there's an example of it in there.

Russell

I was thinking a set of the narrow foglights of a C Max would look preety smart too.Nice and neat not so in your face

jasonmarie
05-07-2009, 18:34
looks like somebody who has had a £50 birthday gift to spend in halfords.

scarey
05-07-2009, 19:29
looks like somebody who has had a £50 birthday gift to spend in halfords.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

zozzer
05-07-2009, 19:53
ok Ford I'll give this one away for free

its nice and snappy and will fit into your powerpoint management presentation for Q1 2010-2011

***

The SMAXs USP is that no other MPV has the market perception of "Sportyness" amongst its owners and potential owners.

It has been generally well received by the motoring press. The SMAX is a car that people want to buy.

Ford need to move sections of the brand more towards the A1/A2/B1/B2 demographic to enhance brand perception which is going to be very important in the next 5 years before the Chinese start flooding the market.

The SMAX can be a key driver in Ford Europes marketing aim to move the brand upwards towards a more profitable per unit model range.

Perception is everything, making the SMAX profile and front aspect more rounded, while keeping the safety people happy, will impact sales a lot as the cars perception will be that it is less "sporty". It will therefore lose its USP.

Instruct design team to either redesign the front profile and nose again or stick with existing front aspect with minor detailing changes.

***

I can be contacted via the site admins if you want any more brand management design consultancy - next time it wont be for free.

sorry for the interruption of the 'flow' chaps
Z

CARLSBERG
05-07-2009, 20:35
Oh dear.

My 12 year old has just seen the photos, and called the new s-max "cr*p"
Closely followed by my 10 year with more or less the same opinion.


The main observations were why was it so low down, agreed the half thought about chrome on the side was rubbish, and unlike most of you fellow S-MAOC members did not like the rear lights. Also not too sure about the shape of the front.

Does not bode too well for a simple change of s-max next year for me.

Unless Ford do not carry out these changes

What about anyone else due to change next year?

Alan
06-07-2009, 07:24
Just a thought here.

If it's 'just' a cosmetic uplift, then why is the car so low & what's in the trailer?

Strikes me that they're testing something more than aerodynamics.

Is there a new engine under that bonnet?

Paul.

I think you maybe onto something there :brow:

Russell
06-07-2009, 07:48
That 1.6 Turbo petrol? :tumbleweed:

Barry
06-07-2009, 09:48
I agree that the car looks a bit odd with all that weight dragging the back down. I suspect that it will look a lot better in the metal.

Hate the chrome, but I have always loved the S-max's round fog lamps, sets it apart from the Galaxy, and every other car for that matter.

Front end, well, looks more like a pug dog than the present catfish, but as long as everything else I like about the S-max stays the same I could live with that.

Back end, which in my view has been the weakest in terms of styling, better.

Hurrah, no sliding doors, which would have been a big no no on my part.

Now all Ford need to do is introduce a slightly more imaginative colour palette. But I suspect it will be the usual 3 silver options, black, and a few others.

Lou
06-07-2009, 12:51
Booooooooo - have been patiently waiting for the newlook/facelifted Smax and if this is it, well, am very disapointed. Hubby took one look and suggested I got the Fiat 500C instead. :crys:

reynoutvab
10-07-2009, 14:19
More info and more images of Facelift

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109070920360/2010-ford-s-max-facelift-spied-in-the-swiss-alps

mcgucka
10-07-2009, 14:54
Mmmmm, not sure I like the back now either, not keen on that ridge through the Ford badge and I have to agree with most others on the 'half a job' chrome strip.

:thud:

Paul
10-07-2009, 14:56
Wondering what's under the black gaffer tape across the boot. :brow:

mcgucka
10-07-2009, 14:58
Wondering what's under the black gaffer tape across the boot. :brow:


Could it be more chrome, possibly bits left over that didn't fit the rear side windows? :grinning:

Barry
10-07-2009, 16:07
I think the chrome is an attempt to boost profits.

Ford re-design a much loved car with really cr*p added chrome , then add a £50 de-chrome box to tick on the options list.

Simples!

morellomax
10-07-2009, 17:18
Definite thumbs down now. They've butchered the front end. Idiots !

Russell
10-07-2009, 18:47
I think the chrome is an attempt to boost profits.

Ford re-design a much loved car with really cr*p added chrome , then add a £50 de-chrome box to tick on the options list.

Simples!

Cynical, but probably true.
Nail.Head. Barry!

:laugh:

Anupanu
10-07-2009, 21:30
Reshaped bootlid probably means that retro fitting the LED rear lights is a non starter as well :censored:

Gilesme
10-07-2009, 21:36
Bit naughty the way they've looped the trailer breakaway cable around the towbar.

Ford SHE people should give them a right kicking for that.

PoleApart
01-09-2009, 11:37
Greetings all - my 1st post here. My wife is in the process of buying a 2.5T. I've talked to 3 dealerships (here in Poland) of which 2 denied any knowledge of a facelift and 1 confirmed that Ford Poland have notified them that the orders they take now would be slated for October production and the model would be the facelifted one. Given that the Gent factory was closed in August my guess would be that they are already tooled up for the facelifted version and that the prefacelift cars cannot be ordered any more.

Do you guys think that if we order now that there is a risk of getting the current car? Would be much peeved if this was the case and would prefer to hold out at least until they spill the beans in Frankfurt to be 100% sure. We're looking at Titanium S spec with glass roof, alcantara and some other goodies so I wouldn't think they'd have one in stock and it would probably have to be made to order.

Anupanu
01-09-2009, 17:11
Welcome PoleApart

In the UK you would be able to specify on the order what model year you were ordering, can you do that in Poland?
You are right, it probably would be made to order, but better safe than sorry until you have actually seen a facelift S-Max if you can't specify MY

BTW Love to see some pics of Titanium S when you eventually get it!

PoleApart
01-09-2009, 20:02
Welcome PoleApart

In the UK you would be able to specify on the order what model year you were ordering, can you do that in Poland?
You are right, it probably would be made to order, but better safe than sorry until you have actually seen a facelift S-Max if you can't specify MY

BTW Love to see some pics of Titanium S when you eventually get it!

Thanks for the welcome. Nope, Polish dealers bar one were all mum about the facelift so official version is we'll be getting the current model. From what I've seen of the facelift I like, especially rear lights which to me are the biggest let down on S-Max and Mondeo. I also love what the German premium brands are doing with daylight running lights. In my country we need to have lights on 24/7 and fancy DRL's look the biz. Even the Insignia has them so I'm curious what Ford has come up with for the S-Max.

We're petrolheads who have just had their (unsuspected ;) )3rd and our 5 series is just too tight for 3 kids. My wife is moving from a Volvo V50 2.4 5 cylinder so we know and like the power plant in naturally aspirated form.

Interesting that the choice was no contest. There really is nothing on the market which is fun to drive, looks decent, has decent performance and will fit 3 kids in separate seats in the back. Why the 2.5T doesn't have a decent slushmatic boggles the mind though. I had a tough job convincing the wife that she'll do without. Even a C4 Picasso has a paddle shift just like on an M5 or a Porker.

Whatever we end up with I will post pics - I get new car frenzy and get quite active on the relevant forums and this seems like a decent one :)

CARLSBERG
01-09-2009, 22:01
Whatever we end up with I will post pics - I get new car frenzy and get quite active on the relevant forums and this seems like a decent one :)


You are quite correct, in fact this is the NUMBER 1 forum.
If there are questions to be answered about an S-max someone is almost certain to know the answer.

Even though i do not know when the 2010 version will be produced, i was not expecting it until next May from what i originally gathered early this year.
But as it is at the Frankfurt show it will probably be earlier.

I am certain you will be more than happy with whatever you get!

Happy S-maxing

Anupanu
01-09-2009, 23:18
I would have thought that if the C-Max was being 'launched' at Frankfurt then the S-Max would be later next year...


Anybody KNOW?

zozzer
02-09-2009, 13:51
More info and more images of Facelift

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109070920360/2010-ford-s-max-facelift-spied-in-the-swiss-alps

good spot

just catching up with things

these shots confirm my fears that the health and safety/eco wonks have got their hands on the SMAX and are pushing it towards some perceived more family, less sporty demographic.

STOP IT NOW AND GO AND DO SOME MEANINGFUL BUYER RESEARCH FORD.

/end rant

jad70
02-09-2009, 14:40
perhaps they have a new air con system in the trailer......

JD

DSP
03-09-2009, 10:27
Clearly I'm a lone voice in the wilderness here, but...

I quite like that!

I think it's sharpened up the nose a bit and given it a slightly more 'aggressive' look. The back looks good too.

Those chrome strips down the doors, however, are awful!

morellomax
03-09-2009, 11:05
Here's hoping for some decent new colours. I like all the ones they've deleted: tonic, blue ambition, morello....

braisim
08-09-2009, 09:58
It seems as if the new C-Max won't be on sale until the second half of 2010, so this might mean that the facelifted S-Max will appear before then. I am also about to put an order in for a new S-Max, but will only do so when I know it's the facelifted model.

PoleApart
08-09-2009, 10:32
I'd be curious what UK dealers will tell you. If a Polish one knows something then I would expect the UK ones to know too. On all the Frankfurt links I've seen there isn't a single mention of the S-Max facelift being shown.

Don't we have FMC employees on this board? Maybe they could spill the beans. If dealers know then it's almost public, right? ;)

Ditto on the colours - we wanted the bright blue metallic. The current pallete is soooooo conservative and boring. Where are the bright oranges and blues?

Oz
08-09-2009, 10:38
or the Asbo orange and eyewatering green of the Focus range? Oakleys permanently to the fore!

braisim
08-09-2009, 10:42
I'm in Brussels and my dealer 'neither confirmed nor denied' the existence of a facelifted model. However, the price I was given at the beginning of August would, he said, not be applicable to a facelifted model.

I guess we just have to wait and see what Frankfurt brings.

Jim H
09-09-2009, 16:31
I have been informed that the facelift S-Max ("Not much different - LEDs in the headlights") will be out at the end of 2010 or early 2011.

Russell
09-09-2009, 16:55
or the Asbo orange and eyewatering green of the Focus range? Oakleys permanently to the fore!

I had a price from Ford for a special order Electric Orange S-Max last year instead of the white one I ordered. Pleased I didn't go for it now though - a wife and eldest daughter with red hair ..... no, no, no. :o:


Not long til the Frankfurt Motor Show now!
Jim: Are you going along?

Jim H
09-09-2009, 17:37
Jim: Are you going along?

Still not sure yet. I was hoping to get there for a trade day, but that is now looking unlikely. I won't know before middle of next week. :unsure:

braisim
10-09-2009, 07:35
I have been informed that the facelift S-Max ("Not much different - LEDs in the headlights") will be out at the end of 2010 or early 2011.

Thanks for the info. But if it's just such a minor facelift why would it take 18 months to get to market? (The car was seen testing in July.)

seanysean123
10-09-2009, 10:05
might be that they already have x amount of bodyshells etc for exisiting model that they have to get rid of first?? don't know...clutching at straws. either that of they are trying to launch along with facelifts of other ford models....they seem to do that alot in the past?

Alan
10-09-2009, 10:15
Thanks for the info. But if it's just such a minor facelift why would it take 18 months to get to market? (The car was seen testing in July.)
I agree and suspect that the facelift S-MAX will be out earlier than the end of 2010, may even be at Frankfurt. I would have thought the next car will be the Mondeo to get a facelift which would be the then of 2010 :unsure:

mrgoodge
10-09-2009, 22:25
No i will not believe that is a facelifted S-max. If it was then it has to score highly as one of the cheapest, worst, tackiest facelifts Ford has ever done to one its cars. All they have done is fitted a new front bumper and rear lights. It has to be a mule for something else they are testing surely. They did the same whilst developing the Kuga and put a s-max body on it.

Yiouli
12-09-2009, 17:08
Ford has shown a new face lately and S-Max has to follow the current; otherwise, it would had been a discortant! See the new Mondeo, new C-Max, Iosis Max, Focus, Kuga, etc. Why S-Max would be excluded? I'm sure that there will be a facelifted S-Max in Frankfurt!

Alan
15-09-2009, 10:27
No mention, yet, of a face-lifted S-MAX being shown at Frankfurt. Though the S-MAX is mentioned in this press release about EURO Stage V.





FORD EXTENDS EURO V ENGINES ACROSS THE RANGE

Euro Stage V engines available from small to large and luxury Ford models
14 new vehicle/engine combinations will meet Euro Stage V regulations
Full availability from September 2009 production
Ford of Europe will soon offer a wide range of engines complying with future Euro Stage V emissions regulations across its product line-up from small cars to large luxury models.
From August 2009 production, a total of eight vehicle/engine combinations with manual transmission for the Fiesta, Focus and C-MAX passenger car ranges will meet the requirements, followed by Stage V-compliant engines for the Focus Coupé-Cabriolet , Ford Mondeo, S-MAX and Galaxy ranges in September.
The full Stage V passenger car line up is:
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Diesel
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1560
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90 PS
109 PS


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119
119


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* does not apply to ECOnetic versions

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1999


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In addition to these passenger cars, Ford's new Transit ECOnetic (2.2-litre Duratorq TDCi, 115 PS, average CO<SUP>2</SUP> emission 189 g/km) model also meets the Stage V regulations when fitted with its optional cDPF (coated Diesel Particulate Filter).
All of these vehicle/powertrain combinations will be produced to meet the strict emission regulations that will be legally required for newly registered vehicles from January 1, 2011.
Graham Hoare, Executive Director Powertrain Development Ford of Europe, said, "This early realignment of our volume engine line-up gives our customers the opportunity right now to buy a vehicle that both meets the 2011 requirements more than a year in advance, and also allows them to take advantage of any future tax incentives for Stage V-compliant vehicles."

jasonmarie
15-09-2009, 10:45
So no face lift this year only the C-MAX or mazda 5 i think the face lift will be 2011 may :uk:

Jim H
15-09-2009, 11:51
So no face lift this year only the C-MAX or mazda 5 i think the face lift will be 2011 may :uk:

:yes:

PoleApart
15-09-2009, 14:09
An S-Max owner from the Polish Ford forum is in Frankfurt at the press day today and posted and confirmed NO facelifted S-Max on display. Spotlight is on C-Max and Grand C-Max. Also no mention here:

http://www.ford.de/IAA_2009

Steve TR
15-09-2009, 14:36
The C-Max Grand is so Mazda 5 (apart from the name - which is sooo UFC)!
:rofl:

Alan
15-09-2009, 15:58
Details of whats on the Ford stand at Frankfurt is here also http://frankfurt2009.fordmedia.eu/index.php?pageID=8&lang=eng

Managed to get someone do a quick video of the S-MAX on the stand there, via twitter. http://www.twitvid.com/BE9F4

peanutt
15-09-2009, 18:12
Personally I think the Grand C-Max & S-Max are getting a bit too close for comfort in terms of market segment, can't see the need for both vehicles in their range as well as the Galaxy!

CARLSBERG
15-09-2009, 23:10
The C-Max Grand is so Mazda 5 (apart from the name - which is sooo UFC)!
:rofl:

Perfectly summed up.

It is not a 7 seater like the S-max.

More 4 adults + 3 kids.


I still think there will be a revised S-max next year, just a bit baffled as too when!
It cannot clash with the Grand C-max launch

Anupanu
15-09-2009, 23:18
Personally I think the Grand C-Max & S-Max are getting a bit too close for comfort in terms of market segment, can't see the need for both vehicles in their range as well as the Galaxy!

OMG!

Which one would Ford drop?
S-Max or Galaxy?
Why haven't we seen facelift Galaxy snaps?

Alan
16-09-2009, 08:23
OMG!

Which one would Ford drop?
S-Max or Galaxy?
Why haven't we seen facelift Galaxy snaps?
Don't think they will drop the Galaxy. Listening to a speech and they where saying they looked at the S-MAX and Galaxy and decided there was room in there range for the Grand C-MAX.

fomax
15-10-2009, 20:18
Dear all!
Has anyone heard any more about upgraded 2010 model of the S-max? Are there any enlightend Ford people here that can let the cat out of the bag?

Brgds

braisim
15-10-2009, 20:48
I'd be interested to hear some news too. Have boiled down the choice of my new MPV to 2 vehicles: S-Max or Peugeot 5008, which is getting good first reviews.

Jim H
15-10-2009, 22:21
Dear all!
Has anyone heard any more about upgraded 2010 model of the S-max? Are there any enlightend Ford people here that can let the cat out of the bag?

Brgds

See post #63 :whistle:

fomax
15-10-2009, 22:50
See post #63 :whistle:

Thanks, but to my knowledge that is not correct. Much sooner actually. Any Ford people here that can make it official? :busted:

peanutt
16-10-2009, 00:02
Errr... I think Jim is a Ford person right?

fomax
16-10-2009, 08:14
Ok!? Well then, not very informed i guess :)

morellomax
16-10-2009, 08:29
Thanks, but to my knowledge that is not correct. Much sooner actually. Any Ford people here that can tell me what I want to hear ?

:P::P:

fomax
16-10-2009, 08:43
;) Yup, I want to hear the truth :-)

jasonmarie
16-10-2009, 09:23
The truth is out there

Jim H
16-10-2009, 09:23
Errr... I think Jim is a Ford person right?

I do not currently work for Ford, but I do know a lot of people who do. :shifty:

Perhaps they have been miss informed. :unsure:

fomax
16-10-2009, 09:52
Ain't this fun!? For all I know, I might have been miss informed, but I really doubt that since this is excecutive information.

Well, we will sooner or later know the fact :) My dilemma is buy now or wait just a tad more...

PoleApart
16-10-2009, 11:23
Ain't this fun!? For all I know, I might have been miss informed, but I really doubt that since this is excecutive information.

Well, we will sooner or later know the fact :) My dilemma is buy now or wait just a tad more...

Had the same dilemna in early September. There were plenty of people claiming it would be shown at Frankfurt. I even had Ford dealer sales reps claiming they had received new price lists about a week before the IAA... We went ahead and ordered with a production date of round about now.

braisim
20-11-2009, 14:33
Have just seen this article, saying that the faclifted S-Max and Galaxy will appear first at the Brussels Motor Show in January. Also mentions new engines.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/autotelegraaf/5360038/__Vernieuwde_Ford_Galaxy_en_S-Max_op_autoshow_Brussel__.html?p=18,1

translated with Google:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fautotelegraaf%2F 5360038%2F__Vernieuwde_Ford_Galaxy_en_S-Max_op_autoshow_Brussel__.html%3Fp%3D18%2C1&sl=nl&tl=en